tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758747359382999584.post363584815694566369..comments2024-01-01T11:53:37.594-05:00Comments on I Like The Cut Of His Jib !!: Shaping the truthMike Lamberthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04268185984165305315noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758747359382999584.post-7061026992517290582010-06-23T08:50:34.590-04:002010-06-23T08:50:34.590-04:00Anonymous,June 4, 2010 10:22,
A Sailor is a Sailo...Anonymous,June 4, 2010 10:22,<br /><br />A Sailor is a Sailor and should be judged from performance, given course correction when necessary, and given opportunities to succeed despite thier pedigree.<br /><br />Sounds good, but you could use a little course correction possibly. You might put it into your mind how to spell “their”.<br /><br />Navyman834Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758747359382999584.post-44629905301026580962010-06-04T10:22:22.753-04:002010-06-04T10:22:22.753-04:00As with any flavor of officer you'll see both ...As with any flavor of officer you'll see both bad and good. The USNA will produce both, as will the LDO and WO programs. At the end of the day I feel you are how you are raised, the officers grown from the enlisted core have a slightly different perspective on service then does the USNA grad, but each will respond to how they are grown once they don thier bars. It's quite unfair to lump officer performance on where they came from. Moral integrity, the willingness to learn, pride in craft, and reliance on the Navy team (yup sometimes you have to ask that PO2 for help) are things that can't be taught at OCS, the academy or WO school. These tools either come to you, are forced on you, or just happen in an ah ha moment in life. Cost comparison on how to raise an officer is as usefull as discussing the equality of diversity on a staff....A Sailor is a Sailor and should be judged from performance, given course correction when necessary, and given opportunities to succeed despite thier pedigree.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758747359382999584.post-14984595850076911102010-06-01T14:21:18.639-04:002010-06-01T14:21:18.639-04:00He's full of crap on the second and third poin...He's full of crap on the second and third points. He didn't even bother to refute the data.ParatrooperJJnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758747359382999584.post-49688050045945678002010-06-01T02:56:47.567-04:002010-06-01T02:56:47.567-04:00Adm. Fowler had some good points, but far too many...Adm. Fowler had some good points, but far too many bad ones which will forever stain his legacy. I for one, together with several members of the Class of 2010 with whom I correspond, will not be at all sorry to see him go. I see no need to specify the instances I disagree with, but I do honor his service and his emphasis on academics. I just wish he could have been more than what he turned out to be. Hopefully, the new Sup will do better.USNA Ancienthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00888978890805320146noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758747359382999584.post-20430343020410022532010-05-31T04:21:41.086-04:002010-05-31T04:21:41.086-04:00Captain Lambert,
Never having been a Commissioned...Captain Lambert,<br /><br />Never having been a Commissioned Officer I have a different view of the value of Officers in general. I have had some that treated me like it was beneath their dignity to even speak to me, and if anyone cares it was always an academy graduate that had that attitude. I do believe these gentlemen are force fed to be that way, how long it takes them to change that opinion to one that allows them to think of their subordinates as people that might even assist them in their jobs and career is hard to say. On the other hand as I gained more time in service and rate I found that many of the academy graduates would moderate their behavior and even welcome my opinion especially in the technical aspects of weapons maintenance and operation and in most cases would seek me out, for my opinion. <br /><br />There was a unique time on my first hitch, this was the first time an Officer came up to me after I saluted him and put his hand on my shoulder and said “Guns, this is going to be a tough ship moving job but I know I can depend on you to help me get this done properly”, he put me in charge of the line handlers for moving a Battleship at Reserve Fleet Bremerton, Washington. And I found that after that ships move I was called upon to be at most of the ships moving evolutions that we had to accomplish. This was the first time I had ever been touched by an Officer, this Officer was a Warrant Officer and he knew how to motivate the Sailors that were required to get the job done. Warrants are a different breed of Sailor but they, in my opinion are generally qualified to handle most evolutions that the Navy is involved in, and this is primarily due to their experience as enlisted individuals. Value wise these Warrants are hard to beat in anybodies Navy.<br /><br />The LDO gives the many leadership qualities to the Navy that it wants and needs. I have seen LDO’s that fall into all categories; good, bad and indifferent. Let me say though that most were good, but there have been a number of occasions where in my career I have had to say such things as “with all due respect, sir”, or other such words, which I am positive all LDO’s that have posted on this blog have heard at some time or another. The LDO’s have in general a good understanding of the enlisted men in their charge and most likely will be assigned to Departments on ships that they are familiar with, or hopefully they will be at any rate. <br /><br />Throughout my career I was never asked to submit a fitness report for an Officer, but had I been required to perform that task the vast majority of those officers would have received an evaluation of; This Officer is much valued by the Navy! I would have had a number of other specific reasons as to why that specific evaluation was given.<br /><br />Very Respectfully, <br />Navyman834Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758747359382999584.post-72372199065848466072010-05-30T20:22:17.662-04:002010-05-30T20:22:17.662-04:00As a second generation LDO (Father was a CWO4) I a...As a second generation LDO (Father was a CWO4) I agree the LDO/CWO program is the best bang for the buck! Very little is invested in the training of LDO's but we are expected to perform superbly at every job given.<br />But that doesn't mean the Naval Academey is bad. They produce many fine leaders and sometimes it takes people many years to find themselves.<br />I just hate the fact that everytime one of the leaders at this great institution fails to take action and hold someone accountable it stains the reputation of all sailors.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758747359382999584.post-54596969922612859332010-05-30T16:37:20.909-04:002010-05-30T16:37:20.909-04:00I agree...to become an Officer I believe you must ...I agree...to become an Officer I believe you must first serve a certain amount of time as an enlisted Sailor. We have boot ensigns who haven't a clue...and then we have enlisted Sailors with Masters degrees. Does education collate to leadership? Or does experience coupled with education produce a good leader? The lines between enlisted and officers has been blurred for many years.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758747359382999584.post-50575686174352803002010-05-30T10:53:27.518-04:002010-05-30T10:53:27.518-04:00Won't argue with that Bob.Won't argue with that Bob.Mike Lamberthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04268185984165305315noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758747359382999584.post-27507992597676445342010-05-30T10:01:41.110-04:002010-05-30T10:01:41.110-04:00If cost is the measure of success, then the LDO pr...If cost is the measure of success, then the LDO program is even a better taxpayer value than OCS. But then, LDO's are really in class by themselves!!LCDR Bob Morrisonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758747359382999584.post-11218291498074759092010-05-29T07:39:04.262-04:002010-05-29T07:39:04.262-04:00If one looked at the cost objectively, one would c...If one looked at the cost objectively, one would correctly determine that OCS provides the taxpayer the best value for his/her tax dollar. OCS officers are EVERY bit as good as USNA/NROTC grads.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com